<div dir="ltr">Dear All,<br><div><br>Given that the cost of almost zero apart from a little investment in time, sounds like a good idea to me. I've had one for years!<br><br></div><div>Cheers,<br><br></div><div>Lachlan. (VK3LEL)<br></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 5:17 PM, John and Bronwyn Morrissey <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jbmorrissey@netspace.net.au" target="_blank">jbmorrissey@netspace.net.au</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Hi <u></u><u></u>Col<u></u><u></u><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Yes, I was aware of the changes. <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">The reason for the change was that there
was a loophole – formerly, organisations dealing with children on a
routine, repetitive basis only employed a supervisor with WWC, then others without
WWC worked under the supervision of that person. What the Govt discovered
was that this still gave the opportunity for repeated contact with individual
children and that some people had used this for grooming. Hence –
the loophole was closed. <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">What is not so clear is: what is the
new threshold where WWC becomes mandatory, in the context of WICEN activity? <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">For example when you go through the WWC list
of occupations requiring WWC (here:</span></font> <font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><a href="http://www.workingwithchildren.vic.gov.au/home/about+the+check/who+needs+a+check/occupational+fields/occupational+fields" target="_blank">http://www.<wbr>workingwithchildren.vic.gov.<wbr>au/home/about+the+check/who+<wbr>needs+a+check/occupational+<wbr>fields/occupational+fields</a>
) there is the example : “</span></font>Commercial photography services
for children unless they are merely incidental to or in support of other
business activities.“<font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> There are
other, similar examples where the contact is merely incidental to other
activities. <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">The website “who needs a check”
(here <a href="http://www.workingwithchildren.vic.gov.au/home/about+the+check/who+needs+a+check/" target="_blank">http://www.<wbr>workingwithchildren.vic.gov.<wbr>au/home/about+the+check/who+<wbr>needs+a+check/</a>
) provides 6 criteria all of which must be met to require WWC, one of which is
“</span></font>5. Your contact with children is part of your duties i.e.
not incidental to your work”.<font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> Whether WICEN
activities require contact with children as part of their duties or it is merely
incidental to the WICEN activity could be a matter of debate. <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">For us, this does seem to be a grey area
and it’s not an area I would like to test in court! <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">For clubs, societies, WICEN, etc it is
always an option to require all members to have WWC to undertake certain
activities, over and above the legal requirements. As an example the
Scouts have always had more stringent requirements for WWC than the law
required. <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">My view is that WICEN should encourage all
members to have WWC, and my understanding is that WICEN (as an incorporated volunteer
organisation) should be able to sponsor those wishing to gain WWC.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Personally, I have had WWC for many years
and recommend all WICEN members obtaining one too. <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Cheers, John<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold" lang="EN-US">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma" lang="EN-US">
Colin Pomroy [mailto:<a href="mailto:colinpomroy@bigpond.com" target="_blank">colinpomroy@bigpond.<wbr>com</a>] <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, 16 July 2017 1:19 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> 'John and Bronwyn Morrissey';
Maurie Stanford; Chris Morley; 'WICEN Victoria'<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Working with Children
Checks</span></font><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"" lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial">I have looked at the changes to the WWCC legislation after
another organisation I am involved with has decided that everyone needs to have
the check.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial">This is because at functions you may be in contact with
children of not only the public but also of other members.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial">Note that the exemption, if there is supervision of someone
with the checks, has been removed.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial">I see that this may be a problem if WICEN was deployed to a
relief centre of similar or even at Training exercises like we have just done
with the Mallee Rally.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial">I feel this should be discussed at Committee level and a
policy decided.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial">The checks are free for volunteers and can be started online
and then confirmed at a post office.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial">Renewals are online.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial">Details of the new legislation are available at:<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Colin
Pomroy<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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